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I've seen a bunch of posts up on here about the harsh conditions the playa presents, and the fore-thought it takes to make sure your shoes/boots/skin makes it through the week.
what are the conditions specifically?
Cause i've also noticed theres not really much in the line of east coasters here, aand we got a LOT of corroding salt on the roads. (obviously not identical conditions, by any stretch.. ) Maybe boots that are tested and true in the conditions here might work well against corrosion (but against the heat? i don't know)
your thoughts? (even if its i'm a loony for even thinking this way)
what are the conditions specifically?
Cause i've also noticed theres not really much in the line of east coasters here, aand we got a LOT of corroding salt on the roads. (obviously not identical conditions, by any stretch.. ) Maybe boots that are tested and true in the conditions here might work well against corrosion (but against the heat? i don't know)
your thoughts? (even if its i'm a loony for even thinking this way)
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Re: Environment: east vs west
Mon, March 8, 2010 - 7:53 PMEast coast here! And you're not a loony.
I can see why you'd make a connection between the corrosiveness of our salted winter streets and the alkaline of the playa. If you've got boots that can withstand our winters, chances are they'll withstand the playa. Although our winter boots are also waterproof and typically don't breathe well. Lots of our boots are 'rubberized' and fur lined with synthetics. They also tend to have serious tread. On the playa, breathability is important... it's hot during the day. If you're able to bring warm boots for night - because it's cold at night. And different boots for day that breathe, great. But if you only have luggage space for one pair of boots, it's best if they work for day and night. Which means they need to breathe. So our heavy winter boots can be too warm. Best if you can find boots that aren't too hot, and loose enough to wear thick socks at night. And a deep tread is fine, but you're going to collect playa dirt in the treads... an average tread works best
Also, we're accustomed to our boots being wet. The playa is super dry... so laces get taught and rough. Zippers get sticky and corroded. Leather gets stiff. Your fingers can become sensitive... your skin takes a beating (I'm a hand lotion whore!). So managing buckles and laces can feel like a chore after a few days. I'd prefer taking on/off wet snowy boots with cold hands to taking on/off playa crusted boots with dry cracked hands any day.
I guess my take is, good hefty winter boots that survive east coast winters will certainly survive the playa. While you wear them shoveling your driveway, think about how they'd feel dancing your ass off in them in 95 degree dry heat. -
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Re: Environment: east vs west
Mon, March 8, 2010 - 8:53 PMthank you both! definately valuable information ^.^
breathable boots: seems like an oxymoron almost XD hah i'll just need to start keep an eye for a reasonable, awesome pair :) -
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Re: Environment: east vs west
Sat, March 13, 2010 - 4:19 AManything the playa dust touches is marked for the life of that particular thing, so, don't bring anything to the playa that is of great value that ya dont want marked with a filmy whitish alkaline dust, no matter how many time ya wash it or use the vinegar solutions or a myriad of other suggestions for cleaning there will always be a trace of that alkaline dust
but, that just means it becomes part of your plaa gear for as long as it lasts.
I have a pair of boots that have been to the playa 14 times. no zippers, just a pair of knee high pull on leather boots, Truly I believe its the playa dust holding them together at this point..
as for zippers, treat them with a non oil base "spray" or "soap" I cant recall the name of the stuff, but it will help your zippers, 'specially so on tents,
and YES!!!! like Dusty I am a handlotion whore out there. I use the vinegar diluted to wash my hands then I apply LOTS of lotion. same with my feet. they get the vinegar treatment and then lotioned and covered with socks, I dont even rub the lotion in I just put socks over the goo. and let it soak in
our tents have been out there for years, and so far so good, but dont zip and unzip too many times..
YMMV!!
Bare
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Re: Environment: east vs west
Tue, March 9, 2010 - 9:18 AMI'd suggest trying to find a pair of military boots of some sort. They're designed for walking and running about in them for long periods of time, and the warmer-weather ones have some breathability. If that's a word. If not, IT IS NOW. Depending on the kind you find they might not be the prettiest things on the planet, but that's what spraypaint and decoration is for.
I have a pair of tall soft leather boots that I got at an army surplus store 15 years ago, they've been to the playa 5 times now and are holding up great.
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Re: Environment: east vs west
Mon, March 8, 2010 - 8:49 PMThe Playa is way more corrosive than Northeast ground salt. I had boots last me years and years with regular Northeast winter use, but after 3 or 4 times on the Playa, you'll see zippers and laces start to fail, if not sooner.
Think of it this way -- we use our winter boots more like insurance. They've got waterproofing, but there aren't many of us that spend a lot of time standing/walking in winter boots through the slush and deep wet snow they're made for. Boots on the Playa, on the other hand, are subjected to the corrosive dust 24/7, and it takes a serious toll.
But like Dusty said, keeping cool and continued comfort through hours and hours of standing, walking and dancing are the 2 most important factors. -
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Re: Environment: east vs west
Wed, March 10, 2010 - 3:51 PMEast cost here...NYC and biker....the playa didn't hurt my leather boots, but it did corrode a three-year old Eireka tent. It just shredded at the end of my 06 burn...got a Kelty now, it will make its second trip this year.
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Re: Environment: east vs west
Wed, March 10, 2010 - 8:42 PMGood point. you think the fabric of a pop up camper would survive? -
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Re: Environment: east vs west
Fri, March 12, 2010 - 11:23 AMDepends on how old it is, and how heavy the fabric is, compared to the nylon of a tent.
PS: line the mesh panels with old thin COTTON sheet fabric...baste it in, doesn't have to be too neat, but don't use adhesive.
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Re: Environment: east vs west
Tue, March 23, 2010 - 6:50 PMMy vintage 1971 bethany pop has been fine as have all the other pop ups I know of
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Re: Environment: east vs west
Wed, March 10, 2010 - 5:44 PM<~~~ former Bostonian :)
The salt and stuff in new england is definitely pretty corrosive... but it only gets so high up on your boots (rarely into the zippers/laces, and rarely gets on hands, skin, etc), is diluted by the slush it's melted into, and comes in small amounts in comparison.... on the playa your boots will be completely caked in dust within moments of arriving on the playa, and stay that way pretty close to forever... that being said I love wearing my winter boots on the playa and at other events... if I'm lucky they last me about 2 years before the zippers catastrophically fail :(
I also tend to cheat and wear sneakers or my sandals (with socks and lotion) under a pair of boot covers... easier to take on and off, and more washable when I get home.
Being an east coaster gives you a leg ahead on dealing with the potentially chilly nights though! (Just don't underestimate the desert, it's only hot during the day!) -
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Re: Environment: east vs west
Wed, March 10, 2010 - 6:54 PMsummer in the mountains has similar patterns of hot days and cold nights everywhere, it seems.
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